S.M.R.E.O (Super Mario Reorchestrated)

[Chris Batista]

Give him Yoshi then - that's the closest thing to a moose (unless anyone else has other suggestions?).

I like Yoshi Kid the most. You know, Yoshi Kid, from Paper Mario?

[Trevor Woggon]

:O
YOSHI KID IS THE BESTEST!!!!

ccbtimewiz = Yoshi Kid

[Erik Schröder]

Do you guys have to re-orchestrate EVERYTHING?

And by the way, since Mario music isn't orchestrated (except Galaxy) in the first place.... then it should be called... Super Mario Orchestrated.

[Mycro_chip♪]

Yep, all of it is planned to be orchestrated.

I don't think Renji would like it if we had to change names. Even something like MaREO too (which is a great name - nice one, zeldafan). lol

[TenchuX]

Do you guys have to re-orchestrate EVERYTHING?

And by the way, since Mario music isn't orchestrated (except Galaxy) in the first place.... then it should be called... Super Mario Orchestrated.

Technically a TON of Zelda music isn't "orchestrated" either.  So should ZREO change their name?  The technology wasn't around to create songs back in the day with a fully orchestral sound.  Hell songs had to be made with only 4 channels at one point (ie only 4 different sounds playing at the same time, max).

[Erik Schröder]

But the early Zelda music would have been orchestrated if that technology was around then... not the Mario music.

[Renji]

Renji here, point is i stand by my promise to orchestrate it, I like the name idea too but I've already purchased the domain names for SMREO, maybe at a later date a name change could become a possibility i never rule anything out

Site Launches : Spring 2010, http://www.smreomusic.com


- Renji

[TenchuX]

But the early Zelda music would have been orchestrated if that technology was around then... not the Mario music.

I honestly don't believe that for a second; especially seeing as how the man who composes all major Zelda games also composes all major Mario games (Koji Kondo). 

Had the technology been around back then you would have heard instrumentals and orchestrations for Mario music not a bunch of square, triangle, and saw synthesizers etc.

You can even go back to the first Mario game.

Super Mario Bros. Music - Underwater

That song is built to be played with a lot of strings not a bunch of synthesizers.

You can further see this because as the technology did improve Kondo made an effort to further give the Mario sound an instrumental feeling not a synthetic one.  Look no further than Super Mario 64 for that.  It has a heavy use of steel drums, organs, accordions, strings, trumpets, and marimbas etc.  Synth wise when Kondo does go with that rout he goes with distorted, funny sounding ones, of which many are voice themed.

Super Mario 64 'Bob-omb Battlefield'

This is a good example of the funny voice synth with a jazz themed backing of trumpets, bass guitar, and drums.

I think this will be pretty evident once you hear some of the music from this project.  I've already touched on multiple songs from Mario games spanning the NES-SNES-N64 and they all transition quite seamlessly to what I've viewed as their instrumental counterparts.

Perhaps your viewpoint though is fully epic orchestral music?  Or simply all songs need to have an orchestral ensemble (which no game should ever do imo).  Even if that's the case a ton of Zelda music is light and all over the place genre wise, from ambient, to jazz, to folk.  Just look at the Shop theme from Ocarina of Time.

Anyhow all of this isn't to slight you or put you down.  Just explaining why I think Mario music would have had a heavy dose of instrumentals and orchestration back in the day had it been possible.

[Trevor Woggon]

Most Definitely.
Take Super Mario Galaxy, for example.
Epically Orchestrated? Yes
To excellent effect? YES!

Obviously not all of our arrangements are going to be involving full orchestras. I'm anticipating that ALOT of them wont. For example, the Water theme from SMB3 is done with a small jazz combo. But, there will be pieces that will be orchestrated FULLY, like boss battles and such. The thing you have to understand is that Mario music is in a fundamentally "jazz" style. Koji was a big fan of Henry Mancini, and consequentially Mancini is one of his biggest influences. So a lot of mario music I think would be intended to be played by a jazz orchestra.

[Dark Link]

People sure like to copy ZREO...

[TenchuX]

People sure like to copy ZREO...

So you don't like the idea of other games having their music redone outside of Zelda?  This concept of what ZREO has done isn't anything new and in itself unoriginal.  Look no further than the very early days of OCRemix which was filled with rearranged pieces from various games of which quite a few were midi based.  Newgrounds is also and has been filled with songs just like what ZREO puts out since they opened the Audio Portal YEARS ago.  In fact more-so since they have no judging panel there.

Heck I remaster/reorchestrate/rearrange (however you want to call it) songs on my own, and have been doing that for YEARS... I started an entire year before ZREO even existed.  Does that mean there were cameras in my house and FireGS (or whoever it was that started it) was spying on me to come up with the idea?  No.  Not at all.  It's not a fresh idea that's why.  You hear old game music and it's a logical conclusion for some musicians that like the music to say... hey, I wonder what this would sound like with modern samples etc.

I even was "reorchestrating" Donkey Kong Country at one point (and I plan to redo what I've done and finish it all at one point).  Since this was done two years after ZREO was made does that mean I sure liked copying them?  I didn't even know about ZREO until the VGXpo this year.

http://www.myspace.com/dkcremastered (this is from mid 2006)

I've been releasing game music on YouTube for a few months now, again started before I even knew ZREO existed.

The ONLY reason I'm even involved with SMREO or MREO is because I'm going to redo the songs anyway, so I might as well present them at localized sites so the songs reach more people.  I make music for the enjoyment of not only myself but largely for others.  If it reaches more people it's going to bring more joy and hopefully garner even more appreciation for the music the games came from (and even the games themselves).  That's what I'm about at least... making a positive impact.

What ZREO has and is doing is a great service for the entire gaming community yet it comes off like you think only ZREO should be around.  Does that mean no other game series are worth redoing then?  That's hogwash.

Ever hear of XOC?

http://www.xocmusic.com/kirby/

This dude has redone all sorts of games (and with LIVE instruments no less).

The concept that doing this (or anything else similar) is copying ZREO or anyone else for that matter is an idea that simply isn't accurate. 

You obviously aren't remotely aware of how many people have done or do what ZREO does with Zelda music, with other games.  Heck... I've been involved in the video game music community since you were around 9 years old and started music when you were around 10.  I doubt you've traveled back in time to see what things were like back then.  I also don't think at 9 you were on video game music forums etc listening to peoples rearrangements of game music.

The idea behind what made ZREO isn't original, just like practically everything on the internet. However, it's a great commodity and something everyone should be thankful to have... just like OCRemix and the countless other musicians who do and have done similar work etc.

I'm sorry but it really upsets me to see such narrow minded comments like this... especially from someone who actually contributed to one of these "copy" projects with the Magmoor Caverns song for MREO.

[Renji]

Hi Renji Here, you would be wrong In comparing SMREO to ZREO, We do things quite abit differently here at Project SMREO, We go beyond just orchestrating the songs and instead we create experiences with them, all of our songs are not only orchestrated but arranged, We plan on doing this to every Super Mario song in the series no matter how long it takes.

- Renji

[Stephen J. Weber]

Personally, I knew of a site that redid music as well before I knew of ZREO. It was Classical Horn Studios, which is now Corneria Sound. And they've been around for quite some time.

[Chris Batista]

I'm pretty sure reorchestrating music isn't copyrighted.

[ebuch♫]

This thread is starting to make me sick ._.

[Dan]

To further prove TenchuX's point...
Behold the Awesome!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

* Dan listens to every song not on that playlist now.

*ahem* On the topic... um... I don't actually have anything to contribute to the topic.  Good luck?  We're rooting for you?  Can't wait to see the site?  Yes, I think all of those will do.

Good luck, we're rooting for you and can't wait to see the site!

Oh, one more thing: will you guys allow suggestions to be made?  'Cause if so... Bowser's theme from Super Mario Bros. 3 is one of my favorites.  So are the Bowser themes from Super Mario 64.  Also the airship theme from SMB3. 

[Trevor Woggon]

This thread is starting to make me sick ._.

Oh, stop being fickle

[Stephen J. Weber]

How about we all just do a barrel roll?

[Renji]

This thread is starting to make me sick ._.

I finally get you to visit my thread and thats your comment, anyways the future of this project is uncertain as we have very little staff to render,reorchestrate

- Renji

[Trevor Woggon]

How about we all just do a barrel roll?

*does a barrel roll*