Not bad. Pretty awesome! A new Zelda with Wii MotionPlus? That's good news all the way!

NEW ZELDA, YESSSS!! Omgggg I'm so excited, a little worried about a few things BUT EXCITED. The "more grown up than ever before" makes me worry a little, I hope they aren't giving him scary butch muscles and facial hair XD; I love my pretty boy Link.. It'd be nice if they made it compatible with gamecube controllers, but if I have to get MotionPlus I will.

butch muscles and a mullet would be nice, oh and give him a gravely voice, ditch the sword and make him do stealth missions. He should also fight this thing called metal gear. I should write this down, I just had this great game Idea.

The one thing i've been dying to hear since MotionPlus was announced...and its coming true! Zelda with the MotionPlus, yay!!

*goes to buy a horse just for the hell of it and calls it Epona*

Pikmin 3?  

Is it really that interesting that he said Motion+ was gonna be used? Its the msot obvious move for the game, idk why people took it as such an amazing revelation.

I'm disappointed. Not at the roundtable or Zelda not appearing. But at the stupid reactions from the fans. We're in almost the exact same situation as we were a day ago even, and just someone saying "Zelda for Wii" makes all the anger go away. Seriously, all the comments I would read (not here) would be people yelling (meaning using caps) that there was no Zelda at E3. Then they mention it and it all changes to "OMG! ZEDLA !!!!!11! WOOOO!1!"
Its pathetic. We dont even get to see the artwork they showed. And we wait one more year before its even first revealed...and people were expecting it to come out this holiday?
Yet it seems forgotten, that part. I havent seen anyone bring it up again...

Yeah, I agree Santuli. To me, this is not news but rather a reminder that they want us to know it's in development. Which is like a big 'duh'.

The way I see it, this is going to be another Twilight Princess development where it will probably get a delay after delay because they're not satisfied with it...

And aside from Zelda, where are the other franchises? Star Fox? Pikmin? Kid Icarus? F-Zero? Kirby? Nothing on them. But we do get not 1, but 2 Mario games. And the Wii has already seen its fair share of Mario already: Super Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Strikers, etc.

I haven't groaned once about what franchises appear and dont appear at these events...i just take it as they come and if theres one that appears that i like, then im happy, if not then i just live with it and just wait.

I'm not all excited, mainly because there is nothing to get excited about.  Really, we were just told the game was in development, which we knew already.

I'm in the same boat as Santuli.

I haven't groaned once about what franchises appear and dont appear at these events...i just take it as they come and if theres one that appears that i like, then im happy, if not then i just live with it and just wait.

Yea I dont either. Kirby has not been forgotten. It keeps getting DS games. It never had a GC game either, so...(excepr Air Ride, but..meh).
Kid Icarus has been dead since the NES...there's nothing that really points to it coming back.

Starfox might be in development, idk. Maybe they're giving up on it. If only they went back to how SF64 was.

Pikmin IS IN DEVELOPMENT. Its in the same boat as Zelda, people need to shut up about those two games.

And then...oh wait a second...they DID revive TWO other franchises. Punch-Out!! and Sin & Punishment. Really, I dont even think these accusations are that legit. These aren't the types of franchises that will drive everyone insane, that will have mass appeal. That's why they might stick with Zelda/Mario/Metroid for the big announcements. But I think they've got franchise covering rather well. Didn't Punch-Out!! come out of the blue and then it was released a month ago? S&P will as well. Pikmin is in dev. Mario got two huge games on the Wii. Zelda's on the way. Metroid got both Corruption and a whole new take on the series. We got our Smash and Mario Kart. The DS got that Mario and Luigi 3 everyone's wanted, as well as Golden Sun and Zelda. Kirby has been appearing often in there as well.

All I hear are demands of everything and everything must come now. Yea...we want all of that coming out in December. Everything. Fantastic AAA games can be made in 10 months, right?

Yeah, I agree Santuli. To me, this is not news but rather a reminder that they want us to know it's in development. Which is like a big 'duh'.

Yea...but apparently so many dont think its such a duh. Its sad...

The way I see it, this is going to be another Twilight Princess development where it will probably get a delay after delay because they're not satisfied with it...

I doubt it, although its not exactly a bad thing. Well it would be painful to have to hear something like that...it was for TP, but the reasons are usually good. Although TP go delayed twice, and only the first one was legit. The second one was more of a forced measure they had to take to port it to the Wii.

But that's why they have this new policy, so that they dont deal with delays. They wont announce it until they're close to finishing it, and once they do, you can expect it to come soon after.

Yeah. If they take longer for these titles to up their quality, then sure, I'm all for it.

I don't want awesome AAA titles spit out every 10 months. Cuz then they probably wouldn't be awesome.

And those are good points about Punch Out!! and S & P (which I haven't got much into yet). Guess the thing that gets to me is this casual game focus. I was slightly worried to see in Myamoto's explanation of Zelda yesterday that he wants it to make "everyone happy". This could be a good, or a bad thing. But the last thing I think anyone wants who's followed this series for it's 20+ years is a watered down Zelda with great motion/sword play control tacked on. I'm sure it won't be anything like that to any degree though.

Nintendo has A LOT for us to look forward to. It would have just been nice to see something for this year other than a new mario brothers.

Yeah. If they take longer for these titles to up their quality, then sure, I'm all for it.

I don't want awesome AAA titles spit out every 10 months. Cuz then they probably wouldn't be awesome.

And those are good points about Punch Out!! and S & P (which I haven't got much into yet). Guess the thing that gets to me is this casual game focus. I was slightly worried to see in Myamoto's explanation of Zelda yesterday that he wants it to make "everyone happy". This could be a good, or a bad thing. But the last thing I think anyone wants who's followed this series for it's 20+ years is a watered down Zelda with great motion/sword play control tacked on. I'm sure it won't be anything like that to any degree though.

Nintendo has A LOT for us to look forward to. It would have just been nice to see something for this year other than a new mario brothers.

*whoops. I got logged out. That was me*

lol, well if the game is AAA its supposed to be good
But its unrealistic to ask for AAA games every couple of months for the whole life cycle of the system from one company.

I like to think that when they say "everyone" they also mean us though
We are part of that everyone at least, lol

Yea there's plenty to look forward too, even if its not this year. I think that with third party games this year we can hold off until the good FP stuff arrives =)

I wish i could see that oh so secret artwork. I reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy want to see a trailer.

Meh.  We already knew there were two Zelda's in development.  This little tidbit of information that none of the fans can see?  Completely worthless and useless.  It changes absolutely nothing, and I see no reason for anyone to get excited about it at all.

How many times have you been karma'd over the E3 period Dan?  Cause here comes another!

This happened to be the biggest stuff mentioned from the Miyamoto meeting. I still consider the little info we got about Zelda for the Wii to be news worthy to be pointed out. The fact there is concept art means that they're continuing with development of the game. Just because a game was announced for development before doesn't mean it's still in development now.

Anyways, what I'm basically saying is I think the reaction from the people who consider this piece of news irrelevant are just as bad as the Zelda fans you're chastising. However, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. For the people that wanted to hear something about Zelda for the Wii at E3 2009 this is good news for them, and there is also other tidbits of information about other games from the original article written by IGN.

Well, it still being in development is not really big news, as it was already in development.  If it were canceled, delayed, or a new project was started or finished, or more information was released on it, sure that's news.  Being told that it's still in development, which we already know, isn't exactly news.  They don't report on television "the President is currently still alive, and has eaten Cheerios today," which is roughly what I equate this to.  The secret meeting isn't worth much mentioning; we don't get anything new from it except that it's still in development.  Which we already knew, because Ninty never said it was canceled or that it might be soon.  The fact there is concept art is something most could already guess, since Nintendo had already revealed it was in development and concept art is integral to the process.  We don't get to see the concept art, so it's not exactly going to be important to tell us there is concept art.

More of the same... I don't know, most people seem to think of it as not being news because it's not new.  The only people that were affected are the ones who were at E3 at the roundtable who saw the concept art.  We didn't hear anything about the game itself, just the concept art.  We heard... about a visual medium.  We heard that Link looked more grown up.  I didn't expect any news at E3 about Zelda Wii, and quite frankly, I don't think we got any.  Still in development... that's what everyone already knew.  We don't need updates that the Earth is still revolving around the sun, we need updates when something different happens.

IGN's article doesn't make the first half of the focus about Zelda Wii, though; in fact, it's a liveblog, which is something quite different from a news article.

I'm sorry if my strict definition of news has offended you, but if it's not new it's not news.

By strict definition you mean this: news - a report of a recent event (dictionary.com).

Also the gaming industry is an industry where only the top 5% of the products make a profit. Numerous games may start development and are canceled. Some are even completed but never published. Experienced game developers may work for years and yet never ship a title, which is the nature of the gaming business. This "recent event" just reinforces the fact that a Zelda game for the Wii is still in development. Before there were only announcements and no solid evidence, and even though you can not see the secret concept art there are numerous reports indicating it exists, including reports from our own Zentendo staff. If you know the development process, you would happen to know this is only steps before making a prototype and actually start producing a game.

Overall the reaction to this "recent event" has been split by people who actually appreciate hearing this information and people who seem to be offended only because there is a focus on some info about Zelda for the Wii.

Lol I am loving the internet drama.  xD

I can copy and paste the definition from Merriam Webster as well: "news, previously unknown information."  Or do you prefer "news, something having a specified influence or effect"?  And what of newsworthiness?  What makes one privately seen piece of concept art newsworthy when it bears no relevance to anyone but those present at the event and those who foam at the mouth from the mere mention of the game?

Numerous games may start development and be canceled later, but this is Zelda, and we would hear if it was canceled.  If it was, that would be news.  Since it's not... nope, the ongoing sameness does not qualify as news.  There is still no solid evidence aside from a single piece of artwork; this does not mean anything at all, as I've said before and will say again doubtlessly.

There are also numerous reports from the people developing the game that it is still in development, without any roundtables either.  I'm not offended by focus on Zelda Wii, I just don't think that a single piece of concept art without any other details is news, especially when the concept art is not publicly released.

I agree that the overall discussion that took place behind closed doors hardly qualifies as news.

If we want to take anything away that resembled news, I guess you could say that they pretty much confirmed the fact that the new Zelda would indeed be implementing WM+. But at the same token, it also seems like a no brainer on Nintendo's behalf to go forward with this as a part of the gameplay.

Honestly, I hope they do it right with this WM+ if they go forward with it. But at the same time, I just want a good, solid Zelda game with an immense world and a great story and gameplay. I wish they'd really focus more on that rather than control schemes. <_<

But, that's Nintendo for you. They're always trying to be the pioneers of the industry. Which is definitely what the other companies (Sony and MS) can't say they do...

There are also numerous reports from the people developing the game that it is still in development, without any roundtables either.  I'm not offended by focus on Zelda Wii, I just don't think that a single piece of concept art without any other details is news, especially when the concept art is not publicly released.

I totally agree. This whole thing isn't really newsworthy because no real "new" info has been given. we already pretty much knew everything that was mentioned. Except for maybe the "more grown up than ever before" thing.

I think though that Nintendo is trying to create this kind of craziness. Their subtle hype machine always works overload when it comes to Zelda tidbits. Perhaps that's only because they know how crazy the fanbase has become over it. We Zelda fans love new Zelda, and we'll usually take whatever there is to take as far as news goes.

However, i think that Nintendo has not publicly released this much talked about artwork simply to keep the hype going. They know, also, that the fanbase is fickle. We couldn't wait for TP and then we get it and it gets slammed over and over again by fans who can't be satisfied. The same thing has happened with a lot of games.  So who can really blame Nintendo for baiting us with nothing.

They're playing the game here. We just keep falling for it

Yes, the overall discussion is news, but I don't see the short bit about Zelda Wii as news.  Then again, I'd forgotten about Wii Motion +... yes, I do think that could be considered news, since it was merely presumed until Miyamoto confirmed it then.  I was judging the newsworthiness of the concept art and completely forgot about WM+.  My apologies then, as I do think that is news regardless of the commonly held belief that it would be the case.

I actually thought that Nintendo would have been smarter to hold off any Wii Zelda news and give us just more info on Spirit Tracks. I mean, supposedly it's coming out this year, so why don't we know much about it yet? That would have satisfied me a bit more than just hearing that the imminent new Zelda console game is being developed. And while I am happy that the Wii MotionPlus will be utilized, it's not the biggest news I've heard this E3.

On the SMG2 news, I'm skeptical. It feels too soon for them to be ready to release a "95% new" Mario game. I think I'm more worried that it's just going to feel like an expansion than excited that we're getting it. Maybe if Nintendo had shown off more than just a clip of Yoshi, I wouldn't need to feel this way.

..sigh... it's TOO EARLY TO PASS JUDGEMENT AFTER JUST A CLIP WITH YOSHI.

My two cents.

Here's that leaked concept art everyone has been waiting for:

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=18699

Nothing too flashy to see from the little tiny, blurred image that managed to sneak its way on to the internet.  It's too bad they couldn't have focused a little more on Spirit Tracks during the presentation, just not enough time I guess.  The trailer looks pretty nice too, I like the new items they're showing us this time, and having the phantom in the dungeon will make things a lot more puzzling I can imagine.  So yeah, this year's E3 got me stoked!

A very small and blurry image. Can't say much about it, other then that it's adult Link. And that it looks a bit like Twilight princess artwork (I don't know for sure. The image is sooo small and blurry). Could this mean that the first real wii Zelda will be realistic, just as Tp? I am hoping for a new style, or maybe Windwaker-style.

Well, at least we know that it is coming 2010 and wii motion+ is as good as confirmed. And tell you what: If they really are confident about the controls, they really should make it wiimotion+ only (just as Ph was touch-controls only)!

Hopefully a new art style.. something like Final Fantasy or some of those other new RPGs would be cool, though I wouldn't want to be able to tell that's the kind of style they were going for.  Twilight Princess was almost too realistic... I miss my magic, it would be cool to see those kind of things in a fantastic reality sort of way... if that makes sense

Wait... Zelda Wii has been confirmed for release in 2010?  Isn't that when SMG2 is planned for?  AND Metroid: Other M?  I think 2010 will probably be a great year for Ninty then.

Quite right. Nintendo's main franchises didn't see much action in 2008 and 2009, but will coming back next year with a vengeance.

I heard NMH2 is also going to be released in 2010.  It's not a Nintendo game exactly, but NMH seems to be remaining a Wii-exclusive series.

That makes two sequels I'm interested in that require me to buy their predecessors: SMG/SMG2 and NMH/NMH2.

2010 looks to be a really good year. Much like the August 2007/August 2008 year.

I heard NMH2 is also going to be released in 2010.  It's not a Nintendo game exactly, but NMH seems to be remaining a Wii-exclusive series.

That makes two sequels I'm interested in that require me to buy their predecessors: SMG/SMG2 and NMH/NMH2.

Yeah, I would highly recommend NMH. Excellent game fixin' to have an equally (if not potentially more so) excellent sequel.

Also, I couldn't help but notice Nintendo said nothing about Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver (probably Nintendo's only franchise that saw some action this past year). Then again, Miyamoto isn't remotely involved with Pokemon. HG/SS will probably be coming around in 2010.

Well, Miyamoto mentored the creator of pokemon, and Gary's JP name is Shigeru...

Oh well, it's probably because, you think, maybe, they don't WANT America knowing right now?

Seriously Okoa, think about it.

They didn't say that Zelda Wii would be out in 2010, but they did say that they are planning on announcing it at next years E3, if not sooner...  I wouldn't bet they'd announce it before next year, but who knows, I think we're in for a lot more surprises ^_^

That's a rather crappy leaked shot, but enough for a few karma points I think

For Zelda Wii: A dark brooding storyline, character development, voice acting and a ORCHESTRAL soundtrack(H)

I think both Eric and Dan took it too far in their respective sides.

Eric, you have some good points, but considering the Zelda fanbase, few think in the way you described. They get hyped for Zelda being mentioned, not for bein reassured that, considering the tough process of game development and success, Zelda is still in the run after much trial-and-error and whatnot. Really, the general public just get excited for Zelda itself, not for the complexities of video game production and what this announcement implies of Zelda.

And Dan...well, a lot of media outlets were reporting what was going on at the Roundtable, and this was key in this one. Miyamoto holds roundtables almost every year, IIRC, at E3 and its always reported on.
Now, if they create further articles by cutting up all the pieces of the roundtable...yea, that's playing with our hype meter too. We already know how the Zelda community reacted. If they make an article saying "Miyamoto talks Zelda Wii!!!!" Then there will be a massive rush of people clicking on that article xD
Trying to get people to read their website I guess.

Anyway...pic too low res, cant make much out of it. But Adrian said it looked TP-esque, so...

I actually thought that Nintendo would have been smarter to hold off any Wii Zelda news and give us just more info on Spirit Tracks. I mean, supposedly it's coming out this year, so why don't we know much about it yet? That would have satisfied me a bit more than just hearing that the imminent new Zelda console game is being developed. And while I am happy that the Wii MotionPlus will be utilized, it's not the biggest news I've heard this E3.

I wouldn't worry. They have their fall event to focus their time on ST and explain more of what it's all about.

On the SMG2 news, I'm skeptical. It feels too soon for them to be ready to release a "95% new" Mario game. I think I'm more worried that it's just going to feel like an expansion than excited that we're getting it. Maybe if Nintendo had shown off more than just a clip of Yoshi, I wouldn't need to feel this way.

That's why no one expected this. But accoriding to Miyamoto, this is a game created from everything they wanted to do in SMG, but couldn't make it. Think of this as more of an extension maybe. They had so many ideas for SMG, considering what they did with Mario platforming, that they couldn't fit everything into the first game, so they're making another one, and I'm sure those old ideas evolved, and new ones came to mind. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the content was being developed before SMG even launched, or if the dev. began shortly afterwards.

And since its the same engine and such, they had a huge head start already.

*Ahem*  I expected SMG2 when Miyamoto hinted at it after IGN asked for a sequel. 

No one expected it NOW, that's what I mean, considering SMG1 is not even 2 years old. Although even hints like that can be misconstrued or not to be taken too seriously.